Saturday, July 08, 2017

Isolator

Day 59
Install It Myself

1am - I woke up from an evening nap a little while ago, and a thought popped into my brain! "I can install that isolator myself!"

Yesterday afternoon when I was talking to Kerob, the shop owner of
Car Audio 101 in Depoe Bay, some of the things that he told me just did not ring true:
➜ It would take 3-hours to install the isolator
➜ That the wire for the installation was expensive
➜ The installation cost would be over $300

Thinking back to my conversation with Kerob,
 I understood now that what he told me was done to see if I would "buy into" his shtick! And I did buy in. Hook, line and sinker!

Here is the first line from the instruction sheet:
"The installation of a Sure Power Multi-Battery Isolator is quite simple as long as you carefully read and understand these instructions."

Maybe I was a schlemiel the other day when I got scammed by that false Apple support guy. But no more!


6:30am - Boiler Bay Overlook
When The Scampy Team arrived at Boiler Bay this morning,
we spotted 9-vehicles that had apparently camped here last nite.

We are guessing that the rule against camping at nite is not actively enforced
here in the Town of Depoe Bay. 😎

This does not mean that The Scampy Team shall do the same thing! No!
When we make Nite Camps, we do it in an elegant fashion. We may be scofflaws. But we are under-the-radar scofflaws!




8am - Sun Means Solar
It is a lovely sunny day. So, we setup our Renogy Solar!

Tránsito and Scampy at Boiler Bay
Depoe Bay, Oregon


10am - Stuffed Mushrooms
Lucas, the guy who bought Little Honda, likes to cook. He told me about making stuffed mushrooms.

This morning I thought that I would give that a try. Yesterday I bought large button mushrooms and a small bag of chopped nuts at the grocery.

Here is what happened......

Stuffed mushroom taste test

Batch of mushrooms

Would you like to know how the stuffed mushrooms turned out? On a
scale of 1 to 10? They are only a 4!

This stuffed mushroom recipe needs some changes! Or perhaps the best thing is simply to forget stuffed mushrooms?


3am - Battery Isolator
What happened with the Isolator installation?

Nothing happened! Instead of doing the Isolator installation, we got busy with other stuff:
➜ Sorting things inside Scampy
➜ Cleaning Scampy's interior walls
➜ Revising our clothes hanging system

We use the toilet/shower room for a closet. Until today, the clothes hanger rod went across the doorway. We hung clothing this way, because the hanger rod was really the rod for the shower curtain.

This turned out to be kinda awkward. Clothing fell off this rod when Scampy was on a trip. Also, closing the door was hard to do. Clothing often prevented the door from closing.

So, we tried installing a new hanger bar that went across the toilet/shower room instead of across the doorway. The new hanger bar is positioned at a slight angle, the far end of the bar is about an inch higher than the other end. This causes clothing on hangars to move down the bar to te lower end.  In this position, clothing does not easily bounce off the bar when Scampy is on-the-road.

Repositioned hanger bar


5pm - Coleman Camping Oven
This morning I prepared stuffed mushrooms by frying instead of baking them. Because we do not have an oven in Scampy!

A little while ago, Middle Class American commented with a recipe for stuffed mushrooms. MCA does not know that Scampy does not have an oven. So, in his recipe, MCA wrote how to prepare stuffed mushrooms using an oven.

Curious, I went shopping on the net for a Coleman Camping Oven. Oh my God! The Coleman Camping Oven is exactly what would complete Scampy's kitchen!







Nite Camp Location Map

Elevation: 98 feet



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42 comments:

  1. George
    I don't understand why you need a high current feed from the Transit to the Scamp, unless you plan to power the Scamp's inside appliances from the Transit's battery. Seems to me that all that's required is intermittent current for the brake/running lights and the brake controller, and that's already in your trailer hookup. Personally, I think you're barking up the wrong tree installing the isolater. The problem is more likely what you already dkscovered...Transit's battery is in need of replacement. Or else there's a big parasitic current load in Scampy, which should be fixed.

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    1. Hi W3,

      Thank you for commenting to help me. 😎

      The power being conducted from Tránsito to Scampy's deep cycle battery is like a trickle charger. It is about 12 volts at 2 amps.

      Right now, every time we park, I have to disconnect the cable at the trailer hitch. And remember to hook that cable back up when heading out. A pain in the ass!

      When the isolator is installed, I won't need do that anymore.

      As Forest Gump would say: "One less thing!"

      George

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  2. *Radio squelch*

    "George, George....come in George. This is the Jojoba Hills Protectionist Society calling George...." Over...

    *squelch*

    "George, we need you back at base camp. You vagabonding & wandering around America as a SCOFFLAW is not sitting well with the board of directors..." "George...are you there....?" Over...

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    1. Hi Point,

      OK. I get it!

      You are feeling that my Blogging about being a scofflaw is a bad idea. Right?

      I've been Blogging in a very open manner since 2003. Too late to begin clamming up now!

      George

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    2. Hahaha. I think it GREAT you are a scofflaw! I am one too!

      Have a fun day George.....I was just being funny. Cheers to the scofflaws of America! :) :)

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    3. A stuffy board of directors might think its not funny....which is why it IS funny...hahaha!

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    4. Thankfully the Board of Directors at Jojoba Hills is anything but stuffy...

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    5. Your use of 'squelch' in your description of dispatch traffic reveals experience in radio comms...emergency or ham?

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    6. This was a cartoon scenario meant to be funny..because George is a rebel. It could have been the "tower" calling, his "neighbor", the "office". I don't even know if JH has a board?!? None of that matters. It was a imagined cartoon funny scenario hoping to put a smile on George's face. I sure got a laugh writing it. But somehow...it got turned upside down even after my multiple explanations. Bummer :(

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    7. In my "imagined cartoon" I referred to Jojoba Hills Protectionist Society. That is a cartoon imagined made-up place. Are you saying that the cartoon board of directors from this imaginary place got offended? Fascinating...

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    8. I didn't say anything at all about anyone being offended...no bummer, not upside down, no need for explanation.

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  3. Yes George I am sure you can install the isolator yourself, go for it !

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  4. I promise not to overload you
    As I said before an isolate it is a glorified diode
    There are two kinds of isolators, the technical ones, and the easy ones,
    cut and paste and this will lead you to the easy one
    It's a two wire set up
    https://www.powerstream.com/battery-isolator-solid-state.htm

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    1. Hi Mister ed!

      I bought [This] isolator yesterday.

      What do you think?

      George

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  5. George
    Isn't there a live wire in the hitch wiring that only turns on with the ignition switch? That should be all you need for low current battery maintenance charging, and it shouldn't be 2 amps unless the battery is somewhat discharged and even then, only until the charge voltages near equal. Mr Ed, the isolator isn't a diode in this case, it's a soLenoid that connects Scamp's battery to Transit's battery only when Transit's ignition is on. A diode would allow current to flow into Scamps battery, but not in the opposite direction, That wouldn't help here.

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    1. Hi W3,

      There is a wire in Transito's hitch cable that connects both batteries. That wire carries juice coming from Transito's alternator thus charging Scampy's battery.

      When the isolator is installed, and the engine is NOT running, that wire will no longer be able to draw current from Transito's battery to Scampy's battery. The batteries will be isolated from each other.

      George

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    2. To W3JDR
      Let's keep this discussion between you and I because Mr. George does not like long post i'm guessing it might have something to do with people our age having failing eyesight
      The 12 v solenoid you're referring to is a very simple system
      12 V cable (positive )from the battery to the solenoid
      Another 12 V cable from the solenoid ( positive) to the positive side of the battery turn the key on it excites a 12v relay bingo it works
      Now the system that Mr. George is going to install is going to require that he remove the alternator wire and hook that up to the isolator terminal B
      And attach a positive cable in to terminal A and another positive cable to terminal C to make his system work
      What terminal B does it excite the isolator the same way your suggested solenoid gets excited
      So if you understand the theory they will both work.. making one mistake? you may be calling the fire department,.
      Now let's go back to the isolator diode electronic gizmo that I suggested

      https://www.powerstream.com/battery-isolator-solid-state.htm

      If you notice there are only two wires terminals on this unit they are both positive
      Because you're not going to get technical and Add the start override in the system
      It becomes a stand a lone unit about the size of a pack of cigarettes
      Current flows only one way,, hence a 12 V diode
      If by himself Mr. George gets his system working I'll have a newfound appreciation for his ability to work with electricity
      We may have to rename his blog site The adventures of Sparky George

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    3. Mr Ed

      I realized after I posted and THEN looked up the part he's using (bad habit of mine) that what he's using is not the old fashioned kind of "isolator" my 1988 motorhome had. It seems to be a solid state unit that probably uses power mosfet switches. In this application, it's truly an "isolator', so I stand corrected. I share your concern that the average guy will get it right before wishing he'd paid the going rate to an installer

      Joe

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    4. Joe my concern is not using Mr. Georges isolator
      My concern is it requires a feed from the alternator
      In the old days you had a positive output cable to the battery
      And one for the exciter
      Today's alternators are a whole different breed, they usually have three wires into one plug, that plugs into the alternator.
      And with the computer generated and the sensors in today's cars, I wouldn't do it without a schematics.
      That's why I suggested down link approach. That isolator would be right in the trailers battery box.
      Once done, it's out of sight and out of mind

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  6. Here is a recipe for stuffed mushrooms: take some hot port sausage, add a few bread crumbs and an egg. (Add maybe a little salt and pepper or whatever spices you might have around.) Blend it all together with your fingers, and put as much of the mixture into each mushroom cap as you can fit, mounding it up a little. Bake until done. (Note my lack of exact measurements or instructions.)

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    1. Sorry, should be "pork" sausage.

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    2. Hi Grandma,

      I was going to give up on stuffed mushrooms. However, now that I have your recipe, I'm gonna give it another go!

      George

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  7. If you take seafood (shrimp/crab/lobster) chopped, add chopped onion, celery, and some panko, egg, seasoning, choice of shredded cheese, mix well and form into balls like meatballs... take balls and stuff into mushrooms. You can freeze the balls for later use if you like. Baking for be best in toaster oven or range oven, or convection oven. Put a square piece of cheese on top of each mushroom about 5 minute before done baking. Bake at about 350 for about 15 to 20 minutes or until mushrooms are done..... Enjoy!

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    1. Hi MCA,

      If you had not posted your comment, I may have never have Googled for:
      "Small portable oven!"

      I found the Coleman Camping Oven! Could this be the answer for an oven for Scampy?

      George

      PS: Thank you so very much for sharing your stuffed mushroom recipe!


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    2. Oh George... here is a awesome side dish... Take and fry some bacon (Bar S brand is best) remove from fry pan, add some sliced mushrooms and sauté, remove and add to the bacon. Next sauté some onions and peppers chopped, then add back the bacon and mushrooms, sprinkle with salt, pepper, a bit of sage and little brown sugar, a shake or two of Worcestershire sauce... mix and then serve over a nice grilled steak! Enjoy with a glass of wine and baked tater baked in your new oven!!!

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    3. Hi MCA,

      I copy/pasted your "awesome side dish" into the
      "Food and recipes" section in my Notes!

      When I prepare your "awesome side dish", I'll post about it.

      Thank you,
      George

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  8. George, you have done an excellent job of continuing your journeys. I endeavor to do the same, however, charging 6 Vdc Deep Cycle batteries require a different approach, then the standard 12 Vdc Automotive batteries.
    Normally a 3 or 4 stage charger is the best approach:
    Bulk Mode - As much charge current as possible while the voltage increases to the next level. This mode normally takes you to 90 % of the charge required by the battery.
    Absorption mode - This is a timed event, based on the battery capacity. The normal 6 Vdc Deep cycle battery is 220 Amps, so 2 deep cycles in series requires about 1 hour. This is a constant voltage, meaning about 14.7 volts.
    Final stage is Float, this is where the voltage goes to 13.3 to 13.7 volts.

    So, what does this mean. Using your alternator, your batteries will never achieve 100 % fully charge.
    So, at least 1 or twice a week, you need to plug in a 3 stage charger to replenish your deep cycle batteries completely. If you truly would like to learn about deep cycle batteries visit the Trojan Battery web site for excellent learning material.
    Keep on trucking - George as I continue to read and watch where you go.

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    1. Hi Dale...I'm betting you would enjoy a trip through George's archives, where you would find that he virtually wrote the book on deep-cycle battery charging. George installed a very sophisticated solar charging system in Ms Tioga back in the day, and was constantly making improvements in it to maximize charging. I'm pretty sure that Scampy doesn't have 6 volt golf cart batteries, although in her prime, Ms Tioga had six of them!

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    2. http://blog.vagabonders-supreme.net/2013/02/las-jaibas-rv-park.html

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  9. Wow George...with an oven you could make your famous meatloaf!

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  10. Hi George. Years ago I had a trailer with one 12 volt battery. I ran a wire from the front battery to the back with good size diode in series. I just pulled the plug when I got to my distination. It didn't charge very heavy because of the .6 voltage drop of the diode.
    That's not the case with your isolator. If your trailer battery is low in charge you can expect a good amount of current to go to it. It's not a trickel charger! [spec's say it's rated for 90amps.] I am asuming the system is like the one in my class b or your class c. My trimetic meter says on start up I get a little over 40 amps going straight to the house battery. I would reccomend #10 wire and fused from the engine compartment where I assume your installing the thing.

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  11. Probably best to enroll at a community college to study electrical engineering with all the conflicting advice here! You

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    1. EXACTLY MY THOUGHTS! However am really into that
      Coleman oven and the possibility of George's meatloaf!
      LOVE A GOOD MEATLOAF!!!

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  12. Bob Wells of Cheap RV Living has a video review of the Coleman Folding Oven -- he likes it!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf2HHOiJ_UY

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  13. I grew up in the area you are exploring, George, and I never heard of a 'Howler Bay'...is it possible you are referring to Boiler Bay?

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    1. Whoops! 😟

      How did I get Howler from Boiler?

      I'm going back and fix that up!

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  14. The 3 pole isolator that you have is an excellent set up.
    Here's a trick that might help.
    Almost all cars today are equipped with a three position headlight system.
    You have the off position you have manually on position for night driving. or you have a position for when you turn the key on daylight running.
    If you have this type of system, you're in luck.
    Your isolator can be positioned in the very back of the truck by the bumper.
    On your three terminal isolator the center wire can be tap in to the license plate light that's your exciter power.
    When you turn your ignition off your headlights taillights license plate light will turn off. The isolator will do the rest.

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    1. Hi Mister ed,

      Is the isolator that I purchased, 3-pole?

      I'm questioning because there are 4-connector studs on my isolator.

      Also, your comment/installation instructions are different than the instruction that came with my isolator. Why would that be?

      George

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  15. The isolator that you have being 4 poles is for three batteries set up
    Your truck has one battery your trailer has one battery
    So you're only going to use 3 poles on your isolator
    But you do have an advantage
    So if at anytime in the future you put and auxiliary battery on the truck or trailer you can use that 4 pole

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    1. I'm guessing the isolator factory instructions are different because they want you to place it probably in the engine compartment

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  16. We love our Coleman stove! Inside, works flawlessly... Same thing for outside with light winds. Strong winds and/or very cold pose a challenge. I'm sure you will love it.

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