Monday, June 18, 2018

Scampy and Tránsito #2

8:44 am:
Pro Side:
Why I should keep Scampy and Tránsito:
➜ The huge amount of storage. For example, a Lance camper and pickup truck have a tiny fraction of storage space compared to Scampy and Tránsito.
Hand tools and supplies. Tránsito's storage contains a powered hand drill, a rotary saw, jigsaw, three sets of ratchet wrenches, complete set of open end and box wrenches, fuses, batteries, fasteners [hex nuts, bolts, screws, rubber bands. [You get the picture?]
I already own Scampy and Tránsito.
If I stay on paved roads, Tránsito tows Scampy fine.
Tránsito gets 18 miles per gallon while towing Scampy.
➜ The cost of buying a new rig would be substantial.
➜ A new rig would have to be outfitted. For example, our solar panel and
12 volt DC wiring would have to be removed and re-installed on the replacement
rig.
➜ Scampy and Tránsito would have to be sold. Not an easy thing to do.
➜ We will not be traveling during the transition from Scampy and Tránsito to the new rig.
➜ We will no longer have the storage space of Scampy and Tránsito if the new rig is pickup truck and camper.
➜ If the new rig consists of a pickup truck towing Scampy, turning around to proceed in the opposite direction while on a narrow forest road will be very difficult.




Con Side:
Why I should not keep Scampy and Tránsito:
Tránsito's front wheel drive slips very easily when we are on unpaved roads.
➜ Huge expense for a few trips in a forest. [This con is from Reader Bill in Chico.]

If you think up some items that I've left off the Pro or Con lists, please make a comment and let me know.



Note: Reader Tom Pawka commented:
"I don't like to be a stickler George but all the cons you listed except the first one are more pros to keeping your existing setup."

Tom is correct. So, I have moved the cons that are actually pros to the pro list.


George
3:30 pm 06/18/2018



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40 comments:

  1. I don't like to be a stickler, George but all the cons you listed except the first one are more pros to keeping your existing set up.

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    1. Hi Tom,

      You are correct!

      Apparently my formerly logical brain may have evaporated in a cloud of age. 😎

      George

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  2. Con......huge expense for a few trips in a forest. Especially if you go back to San Diego area.
    Bill

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    1. Hi Bill,

      Good con!

      I am going to add your con to the list right now.

      Thank you,
      George

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  3. Con: Perhaps you will no longer get 18 miles per gallon

    Con: Making a U-turn with Transito and scampi on narrow road is difficult due to front end slippage

    Con: You cannot be a vagabond supreme if you cannot go where you want to go due to limitations of transito.

    Pro: Buy a new tow vehicle can promote you to vagabond supreme status again.

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    1. Hi Rita,

      Vagabonder Supreme! Wow!

      Yes, that was me when MsTioga still lived. Now, MsTioga has gone away forever.

      And I am just this old RVer on a Last Hurrah trip heading into the Sunset.

      Even so, I'm doing pretty good! Yes?

      George

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    2. Once a vagabonder supreme, always a Vagabonder Supreme.

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  4. George
    Have you considered that the weight of Scampy pushing down on the rear of Trasito is lifting the front end and creating the 'slipping' you experience???

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    1. Hi Steve,

      Yes, I have considered Scampy's weight. It's only a 130 lb tongue weight.

      Would that be enough to cause Tránsito's front tires to slip on dirt roads?

      George

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  5. I don't think your Con list is actually that at all George. It's simply a continuation of your Pros list.

    A true Cons list would be a list of reasons why you shouldn't keep Transito and Scampy.

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    1. Hi Don,

      That is correct!

      Earlier in the day, Reader Tom Pawka commented essentially the same thing as you.

      As a result, I have moved the cons that were actually pros to the pro list.

      It sure looks as though Scampy and Tránsito are going remain as our RV Team!

      George

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  6. After reading the "Cons", it seems it's an easy decision. I suspect you've come to the same conclusion I see. Good luck with Scampy George.

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    1. Hi Bob,

      I agree!

      However what exactly is that Easy Decision?

      Are Scampy and Tránsito staying or going?

      George

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  7. All comments have been replied to by the @

    Pro Side:
    There are many reasons that I keep Scampy and Tránsito. These reasons influence me to be very cautious about a possible replacement RV setup.
    ➜ The huge amount of storage. For example, a Lance camper and pickup truck have a tiny fraction of storage space compared to Scampy and Tránsito.
    @ true absolutely no argument there
    ➜ Hand tools and supplies. Tránsito's storage contains a powered hand drill, a rotary saw, jigsaw, three sets of ratchet wrenches, complete set of open end and box wrenches, fuses, batteries, fasteners [hex nuts, bolts, screws, rubber bands. [You get the picture?]
    @ and I know you've seen the pictures of the small pick up truck with a cap and slideing storage beds
    ➜ I already own Scampy and Tránsito.
    @. Excellent point
    ➜ If I stay on paved roads, Tránsito tows Scampy fine.
    @ excellent point as well although you have not addressed the front and being as light as it is
    ➜ Tránsito gets 18 miles per gallon while towing Scampy.
    @. That is the point that one cannot argue with
    Please see note #2 bottom page

    Con Side:
    ➜ Tránsito's front wheel drive slips very easily when we are on unpaved roads.
    @ keep the set up you have now and forgo dirt /off road but addressed the slip
    ➜ The cost of buying a new rig would be substantial.
    @ not as substantial as the $33,000 unit you were looking at
    A smaller two wheel of 4 Wheel Drive About $25,000 with low mileage
    ➜ A new rig would have to be outfitted. For example, our solar panel and
    12 volt DC wiring would have to be removed and re-installed on the
    replacement rig.
    @ I've sent you a link to how to set up storage on a smaller 2or 4x4pick up truck Solar could be Added.
    ➜ Scampy and Tránsito would have to be sold. Not an easy thing to do.
    @ trading in your Ford for a smaller pick up of your choice needs to be factored in
    ➜ We will not be traveling during the transition from Scampy and Tránsito to the new rig.
    @ If you do the transition in December you accomplish two things one is you could live in the BIG trailer (you know the one with the bowling alley )while the little trailer is in storage (please see note 3 bottom page)
    ➜ We will no longer have the storage space of Scampy and Tránsito if the new rig is pickup truck and camper.
    @ 100% right
    ➜ If the new rig consists of a pickup truck towing Scampy, making a U-turn while on a narrow forest road will be very difficult.
    @ you have to remember it would be impossible with the truck that you have now especially with a front wheel slip,, with 4x4 drive you don't have that issue
    However transitioning to a smaller pick up truck not full-size pick up truck you're turning radius factor is less.


    #2
    I don't remember in your blog if you ever said the actual fuel mileage of your truck without the trailer.
    But let's factor you get 23 miles to a gallon without the trailer.
    18 miles per gallon with the trailer .
    so the loss is 5 mph ?
    Let's look at a hypothetical situation. a Toyota Tacoma 2016. EPA mileage is 17/ 22 Let's factory in 5 miles per gallon less city and highway
    You will lose in mileage but not by a great factor.
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    But the star of the show is YOU,, what do you care about the mileage where you're not spending. $$$ time at an RV park on the average of $30 +- a day
    Your $$ lifestyle on the road has to be factored in.

    #3
    Registration on most vehicles in most states are not prorated.
    The reason why I said end December or January (depending when the physical year ends )when you buy a vehicle an register it they're not prorated per month,,, if you buy them November your pay the whole year2018 if the new registration is up in December you spent considerable amount of money,,
    however if you wait until latter January 2019 your registration fee goes all the way till the end of that year.

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    1. Hi Ed,

      Wow! You went to a LOT of effort in this comment to help me.

      Thank you soooooo much! You helped me!

      George


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  8. Please keep in mind i'm not suggesting you go out and buy another tow vehicle or RV. but if you have that in mind. factor in all the equations that would totally benefit you. and any future plans ahead.

    By the way did you go to the Bonner 4H Country fair ?

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    1. Hi Ed,

      After I put up all the Pros and Cons, pros won out! You helped me with that decision!

      I did not go the Bonner 4H Country Fair. Do you go to 4H fairs?

      Click [Here] to go the Bonner County Fairgrounds website.

      George

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  9. Hmmm This is a quality of life issue as much as anything...

    As to U Turns on forest roads, right now you can have problems on ANY forest road.

    The new rig would be taller (a guess on my part).

    Then we get down to either "not enough storage" or "too much stuff".
    That (for me/us) breaks down to "have I used it I the last six months?" or I can put "year" in the time frame...

    The biggest question is "would it be more fun?"

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    1. Hi Rob,

      After I moved the Cons that were actually Pros to the Pro list, it became instantly clear to me that:
      I am best served by staying with Scampy and Tránsito!

      I am sooooo very thankful to you and the other Readers whose comments helped me.

      George

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  10. Making U turns on a narrow forest road will be difficult in any rig.

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    1. Hi Leroy,

      Really? U-turns on a forest road are likely impossible.
      However, Y-turns are very doable.

      George

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  11. I vote twuk, and Scampy combo. 4WD and possibly a locker in the rear like a Tacoma and shell with crates marked electrical, hand tools, power tools, spare parts, oil, cleaners, firewood, charcoal, chairs, axe, winter clothes, dirty clothes - thats right throw all your dirty clothes in the back of the truck with maybe bags of trash. You wouldn't have to smell them because the bed and cab are seperated. What do you do now with dirty clothes?

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    1. Hi Michael,

      Well, according to the revised Pro and Con lists, it sure looks as though Scampy and Tránsito are going remain as our RV Team!

      You asked: "What do you do now with dirty clothes?"

      Answer: Firstly, my dirty clothes are NOT very dirty and certainly not smelly. Secondly, I have a laundry bag hanging in my closet.

      George

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  12. If George has not used some tools in the last 6 months AND he wants to keep them for possible once-a-year use, he has Twayler for storage of those tools.

    Also, George needs to compare the difference in insurance expense between his present rig and a new rig.

    I agree with Mister Ed on the gas mileage issue after I put pen to paper and did the numbers. The difference is negligible between the two vehicles, but with keeping Scampy.

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    1. Hi Dee,

      I've made my decision. I am best staying with Scampy and Tránsito! 😎

      Thank you for your help,
      George

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  13. I've followed your blog since the beginning from a link Rachael and Dan had to your blog (the link is still there). Anyway, they bought a Lance truck camper setup. They shared some lessons, including price, etc.
    http://underagedrvers.blogspot.com/2004/02/may-1-2003.html

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    1. What ever happened to "Under Aged RVers?"

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  14. I couldn't justify buying a new tow vehicle. Scampy is only 13ft long and you are happy with him.

    Is there a possibily there is a way to beef up Transito's front end?

    That's what I would try. I just don't like spending money on vehicles when it is not needed.

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    1. Beefing up the front and is going to do just that,, but it's not going to solve the problem.
      Here's a technical question to think about.

      Why did they load an airplane from the front to the back? and not from the back to the front?

      Now think of your answer,,, and then googled that question..

      Interesting isn't it
      Now that you know the answer to that question. you can understand more why George can't do that

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    2. Hi LBM,

      I agree with your comment!

      And, I've made a decision to stay with Scampy and Tránsito! 😎

      George

      PS: Do you actually boondock in Mexico. I mean Nite Camp on a beach? Or in the desert?

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    3. Of course. We have been doing it for over 15 years. Since we live here, it's easy. We stay at places such as the town square in Guadalcazár, SLP, the outer rim of the botanical gardens in San Miguel de Allende. We have done the east coast along the beaches, we visited all 51 municipalities in our state boondocking all the way or staying in primitive state parks. We don't use Pemex stations though. We ask ranchers if we can spend the night on their land, behind a restaurant, etc. What else is there besides boondocking. As much as I love Mexico, their rv parks stink and aren't worth the money. We have solar so no need for hookups. We boondocked almost all the way on our four-month trip to Canada too.

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  15. florida mike6/18/18, 10:40 PM

    look into a weight distributing hitch. with the load in the back of the transit and the hitch weight, much of the weight is removed from the front. a WD hitch would redistribute that and enable better front traction.

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    1. Hi Mike,

      You are probably correct that there will be some improvement with that type hitch.

      Reader Mister Ed commented about a weight distributing hitch.

      Ed wrote:
      "There is some physical work in order to set the equalizer bars each and every time you hitch or unhitch. At our age it would be a pain."

      Mike, it's best if I simply go only on paved roads. I probably won't be camping much in forests even I had the proper tow vehicle.

      Thanks for writing,
      George

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    1. Hi Bill,

      I figured that you would comment that! 😎

      Thank you,
      George

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  17. George, does your Transit have a traction control button on it? When I drive up my icy driveway (a hill), I often have to take it out of traction control first. Otherwise, when I start to lose traction, the engine automatically takes away the power to the front wheels as a safety measure. It sounds counterintuitive, but I get better traction under certain circumstances by turning the traction control off. It turns back on automatically on my vehicle the next time I start the engine.

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    1. Hi Midwest,

      I do the same thing as you do with traction control.

      Transito's front wheel drive slips easily on dirt roads regardless of traction control being on or off.

      Thanks for commenting!

      George

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  18. Congratulations George, you have come to a good decision and with good reasons. It was a valuable exercise that has saved you a lot of money and frustration.

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    1. Hi Croft,

      Thank you! 😎

      I went back and forth on this decision for quite a while.

      Without a Pro/Con list, I could not have done it.

      George

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  19. George, the next time you weigh your rig, get the axle weights. You're probably lifting the front end and reducing traction. An equalizer hitch should help. Not hard to hitch up.
    Also, you won't find the internet on back roads...and you really need the internet.

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